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This might be a little long, but I just would like to clarify the difference between titles in Thailand and the UK.
Khun Nattaset understands correctly about the royal family in the UK. The royal titles (Prince or Princess) can only be carried in the male line for 2 generations (children and grandchildren of a sovereign).
Even with the Queen (Elizabeth II), when she was the heiress presumptive and pregnant for the first time, her father King George VI had to issue a special decree that the children born to the Princess Elizabeth will carry the title of Prince or Princess of the UK, otherwise, Prince Charles would have been called the Earl of Merioneth (as the eldest son using the courtesy title of his father, the Duke of Edinburgh) and Princess Anne would have been Lady Anne Windsor (as a daughter of a Duke, interestingly, before the wedding it was stated that the Royal family name would still be Windsor, only after the Queen ascended the throne that she stated that the Royal Family would from then on be called Mountbatten-Windsor).
Because children of a queen regnant (queen by her own right, not by being married to a king) enjoy the full status and right as if their mother was a king. Princes Andrew and Edward, because they were born after their mother had become queen, they did not need the special decree by George VI to be Princes of the UK.
Because George VI did NOT issue the same decree for his younger daughter, the Princess Margaret, her children only carry the courtesy title of their father, the 1st Earl of Snowdon (the son, the Hon. David Armstring-Jones is called Viscount Linley and the daughter is Lady Sarah Chatto, previously Armstrong-Jones).
Same as the royal titles, hereditary noble titles follow the same rule that children only inherit the peerage titles (Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount & Baron, plus Baronet) or carry courtesy titles from their FATHERS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HEREDITARY PEERESSES IN THEIR OWN RIGHTS.
Children of a hereditary peeress in her own right (Duchess, Marchioness, Countess, Viscountess & Baroness, plus Baronetess in her own right) enjoy the full status and right as if their mother was a male peer.
A younger son of a Duke or a Marquess uses the courtesy title of Lord in front of his name, followed by his family name. Lord Nicholas Windsor, the younger son of HRH the (2nd) Duke of Kent. He does not have a royal title because his father is a grandson of King George V, therefore, cannot pass the royal title to his son. Instead, Lord Nicholas follows the rule for the Peerage because his father is a Duke.
A daughter of a Duke, or a Marquess, or an Earl uses the title of Lady in front of her name, followed by her family name Lady Diana Spencer was a daughter of an Earl, Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor is a granddaughter in the male line of the Queen so she actually is HRH Princess Louise of Wessex, but her parents decided their children will use the courtesy title of a non-royal Earl.
A younger son of an Earl, or a son of a Viscount, or a Baron uses the title the the Honourable Mr. in front of his name The Hon. Mr. Angus Ogilvy, late husband of HRH Princess Alexandra, was a younger son of an earl, he later was knighted and became The Hon. Sir Angus Ogilvy.
A daughter of a Viscount, or a Baron uses the title the the Honourable Miss. in front of her name, and changes to the Hon. Mrs. after being married.
Succession to the peerage is usually restricted to the male line, descended from the person that the title being conferred on, called Heirs Male. Exceptions were made in some cases so some titles can be inherited by and Heirs General (Woman can inherit but male take precedence, just like the crown itself). Many Baronies and Scottish peerages can be inherited by woman.
This is a very different system from Thailand because our noble titles cannot be inherited at all. (Only the Chulajomklao Order can be inherited, but with a different rule.)
I would like to point out that Baroness Thatchers title is NOT a hereditary title, but belongs to another group of Peers called LIFE PEER. The holder of these titles, usually only in the degree of Baron/Baroness, carry them only for their lifetime. Their titles become extinct after their death, JUST EXACTLY LIKE OUR THAI NOBLE TITLES in the past. But their children enjoy the same status as children of hereditary Peers but also only for their lifetime.
So the children of Baroness Thatcher, Mark and Carol, have the right to be The Hon. Mr. & The Hon. Miss or Mrs. as children of a Baron.
Also in 1991, Baroness Thatchers husband was created a Baronet as Sir Denis Thatcher, Bt. This is a hereditary title, so when HE DIES, their son will inherit the Baronetcy from HIS FATHER, as Sir Mark Thatcher, Bt.
From Khun Sa-idians list of Baroness Thatchers titles, you can see that when Mrs. Thatcher became a member of the cabinet in1970, she became The Right Honourable Mrs. Thatcher and remained so until she retired in 1990 and received the Order of Merit (OM).
When her husband was created a Baronet, she became Lady Thatcher as a wife of a baronet, not by her right. Only when she was made a Life Peer in 1995 that she became Baroness Thatcher.
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Dr. Pong (Dr Pong) 
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