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Answers to Khun OhMyGodness krab,
1. The major reason to create a British sovereigns grown-up sons Dukes (or and Earl) is exactly what you have answered in the opinion #4, to make them part of the nobility estate. Also, it is to make sure that the heirs male of these princes inherit the titles and become part of the British hereditary peerage as long as the male lines still exist.
Except for the sons of the Heir Apparent (Prince of Wales), there actually has been no need to grant the other male-line grandsons peerages because they are already in line to succeed to their fathers (younger brothers of the Heir Apparent) peerages.
The Prince of Wales will have no other peerages to pass on to his younger sons because, once he becomes king, all title will merge into the crown.
Therefore, if the sovereign lived long enough to see grown-up sons of the Prince of Wales, these princes were granted Dukedoms.
The short list is;
Son of George II when he was Prince of Wales (Grandsons of George I);
- Frederick Louis born when his grandfather (King George I) was still Elector of Hanover, styled Duke of Gloucester without being created (his father was Prince of Wales at that time), created Duke of Edinburgh by George I, became Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay on his father (George II)s accession, created Prince of Wales, and died before his father. - George born when his father was Prince of Wales, created Duke of Cumberland by George I.
Sons of Frederick Louis, Prince of Wales (Grandsons of George II);
- George III born when his father was Prince of Wales, succeeded him as Duke of Cornwall* (see below), Rothesay & Edinburgh, created Prince of Wales by grandfather (George II), and succeeded George II. - All of George IIIs younger brothers were too young to be made dukes by George II. All were later created Dukes by George III.
George IV, when he was Prince of Wales, had only a daughter, Princess Charlotte of Wales. She grew up, got married, and died in childbirth during her fathers lifetime.
Sons of Edward VII when he was Prince of Wales (Grandson of Victoria);
- Albert Victor - born when his father was Prince of Wales, created Duke of Clarence & Avondale by grandmother (Victoria), died just 2 years later. - George V - born when his father was Prince of Wales, created Duke of York by Victoria, became Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay on his father (Edward VII)s accession, created Prince of Wales 9 months later, and succeeded Edward VII.
All of George Vs sons when he was Prince of Wales were too young to be created Dukes by Edward VII. All were later made Dukes by their father.
If the Queen lives long enough, I would expect Princes William and Harry to be created Dukes just right before their wedding krab.
There is one other thing I would like to point out. That is, if for some reasons, Prince Charles does NOT succeed to the throne, Prince Harry will never get to be a son of a sovereign, and, according to the letters patent of 1917, his children will NOT be HRH Princes or Princesses of Great Britain, but instead be born Lords or Ladies as great-grandchildren of a sovereign.
2. I did some research on this question and, interestingly, there were 2 sources contradicting each other krab.
According to Wikipedia which I still would like to know the original source;
Under a charter of 1421, the dukedom passes to the Sovereign's eldest son and heir.
If the eldest son of the Sovereign dies, his eldest son does not inherit the Dukedom. However, if the eldest son should die without children, his next brother obtains the Dukedom.
Underlying these rules is the principle that only a son of the Sovereignnever a grandson, even if he is the Heir Apparentmay be Duke of Cornwall. It is possible for an individual to be Prince of Wales and Heir Apparent without being Duke of Cornwall. For example, King George II's heir-apparent, the future George III, was Prince of Wales, but not Duke of Cornwall (because he was the King's grandson, not the King's son).
*BUT Burkes Guide to the Royal Families (1973), which is quite a reliable source, stated that George III succeeded his father (Frederick Louis, Prince of Wales) as Duke of Cornwall, Rothesay & Edinburgh in 1751 when Frederick died.
I will have to research more on this topic krab.
3. Queen Victoria once wanted Prince Albert to be created King Consort but was prevented by the government because he was a foreigner.
The Tory party was quite mean to Prince Albert. He was given an annual income less than a Queen Consort would have got. They did not want to grant him the precedence next to the Queen, but after all other royal dukes (her uncles), but they evetually had to. When his son, Bertie, the Prince of Wales later Edward VII, reached the age of 17, they wanted to claim precedence of Berie above his own father.
Prince Albert was married to Queen Victoria in 1940 when he was only 20 years old. Since then, he had done tremendous amount of works for Great Britain, in addition to giving the Queen 9 children. He eventually became king in all but name. Still, he had been just Prince Albert until Victoria successfully gave him the Prince Consort title 17 years later in 1957. Just less than 5 years later, he passed away. If you look at his most recent pictures, he looked much older than 42.
Anyway, both England and Scotland used to have King Consort in the past.
Mary I of England married her cousin, King Philip II of Spain and made him King of England.
Mary, Queen of Scots, first married Francis II, King of France (son of Catherine de Medici). He became King Consort of Scotland. He died shotly after. She then married her english cousin, Henry, Lord Darnley, and proclaimed him King without the consent of the parliament.
4. This question is too difficult for me because we have 2 sets of terminology for Thai Royalty and foreign Royalties krab.
For Thai Royalty;
?? (Never have) = Queen Regnant Somdej-pra-Boroma-Rajinee-NART = Queen Consort who used to be a Regent Somdej-pra-Boroma-Rajinee = Queen Consort
For Foreign Royalties;
Queen Regnant = Somdej-pra-Rajinee-NART Queen Consort who used to be a Regent OR Queen Consort = Somdej-pra-Rajinee
Maybe others (like Khun UP, etc.) would be a more qualified person to select or coin the words krab.
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Dr Pong (Dr Pong)
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