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Interview transcript: Thaksin Shinawatra
Published: April 17 2009 03:09 | Last updated: April 17 2009 03:09
Robin Wigglesworth, Gulf correspondent, interviewed Thaksin Shinawatra, former prime minister of Thailand, in Dubai on April 16 2009.
FT:Do you think your supporters, the red-shirts, have been defeated?
Thaksin: The movement’s aim is to get true democracy for all. Thailand has been telling the whole world that we are a democracy, but we are not really a democracy for all. It is a democracy for a few: for the political elites in Bangkok who still have a very big influence over Thai politics.
FT: But is the best way to encourage democracy through a “people’s revolution”?
Thaksin: The revolution means peaceful revolution. I emphasise peaceful revolution every time I use it. I even quote Martin Luther King.
FT: Do you support the red-shirts financially?
Thaksin: No. If you watch them you see a very lovely culture. The fishermen came out from fishing, take some fish and share them. They help each other. The street vendors bring some food with them. It is very lovely because they are helping each other.
FT: But we have been told that you are supplying money.
Thaksin: No way, no money at all. In one speech I made, I jokingly said that the government is now paying senior citizens B500 a month which I am going to be entitled to – if I want to – after my birthday on July 26. On July 27 I will be 60 so I am entitled to that B500 a month, so I jokingly told them after July 27 I have to queue up for my B500, and then they believed I am paying them B500.
FT: Even if you say you didn’t want violence, violence was the result.
Thaksin: This is why the red shirts are rising up, because they get no justice. It is double standards all along. Three years after I left it is double standards all along the way.
You see how they treat the yellow shirts and how the treat the red shirts. For the red shirts they use brutal suppression. For the yellow shirts, the military asked for the prime minister to resign, but for the red shirts, the military joined the government and say they are going to use force.
It is very brutal suppression, and why is it so brutal? Because they have been instigated by government-sponsored militias. They use both police and military dressed in blue shirts and red shirts and mingled and try to create riots. Why do the military carry M-16s? Why don’t they use the riot control steps according to international practice?
The current prime minister used military force with true ammunition and shot at the people. So many people died, they dragged the dead bodies away, and tried to destroy the dead bodies. This is the same as what happened in October 1996 when there was a student uprising. There were so many missing, but you couldn’t find the corpses because they destroyed the corpses.
We have 17 coups, 10 of them successful, and we have 22 elections. That means that every two elections we have a coup. What kind of democracy is this?
FT: Is putting a mob on the streets the best way to improve democracy?
Thaksin: Even though the majority of the red shirts are my supporters, not all of them are. Many joined because they hate the injustice that has plagued Thailand for three years, and the double standards that are all over. That is the injustice.
Secondly, those that understand democracy know very well that in the past Thailand was not a democracy. We look like a democracy but we are not a democracy. What kind of democracy is it when all the political power is not connected to the people?
If you trace back what is happening in Thailand you would see that my administration the first that came from the result of the very liberal constitution. I have been successful because of the policy platform I laid out. It was the first time in elections that we had a policy platform, the people liked it and we won more than 50 per cent of the vote. That is the first time in Thai history. I am trying to act in a very democratic way to help the poor.
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