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Can Modes Interact with One Another? John 6:56
Tim thanks for your post it is very informative. I have been arguing with several concerning oneness/trinity issue ...please address the following if you get timeI would like to look at a passage in Revelation 21, which clearly indicates that Jesus is the Father. Starting at verse 5 it reads And He who sits on the throne said, Behold, I am making all things new we are made new by being in Christ 2 Cor. 5:17 And He said, Write, for these words are faithful and true in Rev. 3:14 and 19:11 Jesus is called faithful and true 6 Then He said to me, It is done. compare to John 19:30, "it is finished I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. [In the very next chapter Jesus says this same thing, 22:13-16 I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost Jesus gives the water of life, John 4:10-14; Rev. 7:17. 7 He who overcomes Jesus spoke these words seven times to each of the seven churches in the beginning of this epistle, 2:7,11,17,26;3:5,12,21 will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son emphasis added. Everything in this passage points towards Jesus as the speaker, yet at the end of the passage we realize that it is God the Father.
Jesus God/God God still unclear Matt 1:23
I welcome you to the faith, JRM!
The answer to your question has to with what is called the Trinity. The historic Christian faith has been Trinitarian, despite the fact that throughout the history of the churhc there have been cults, sects, and other aberrant groups which have distorted this central teaching of Scripture in one way or another.
Since, as you say, you are a new believer, I assume that you did not spend years and years studying the Bible before trusting in Christ's sinless life and his death in our place as the payment for our sins. The word "Trinity," although not found in the Bible, is an accurate way to describe the nature of God as he is revealed to us in the pages of the New Testament.
Basically, when reading the Scriptures, we come across the following things said about God:
1. There is only ONE God (you probably don't need much convincing of this one, but try reading the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament; starting at about chapter 40, he mentions this fact dozens of times).
2. God is also known as the Father (the book of John is one place to start studying the message of Jesus Christ, and he constantly refers to "the Father").
3. However, Jesus is also referred to numerous times as God and/or the creator (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16, 17; Hebrews 1:8, and many other places).
4. The Holy Spirit (also called the Spirit of God in the Old Testament) is described as having personality and also God.
So here is our "problem": ONE God, but the father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are also called "God." There cannot be three Gods, but three different "persons" are identified as God. Some groups today hold that this is just a way to describe God working in three different "modes" (i.e. sometimes he is acting as Father, sometimes as the Son, sometimes as the Holy Spirit). The problem with this, however, is that one can clearly see from the New Testament that all trhee exist together at the same time, and that they even interact with one another, one praying to another, one sending another, the three persons speaking to each other, etc., etc. Therefore, it is clear that while the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all fully one God; the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, and the Spirit is not the Father. So the plot thickens...
So what is the solution? The early leaders of the church, in trying to grasp all of this teaching about the nature of God, could conclude only one thing: that while there is only one God, he has always existed in three distinct "persons." Each of these persons is fully God (i.e. Jesus is not 1/3 of God), and each displays the personality, power, and characteristics of God. All three, being the one God, are worthy of our praise, worship, and obedience.
A bit complicated? I would assume as a new Christian that that would be an understatement. A good starting point to undertsanding this teaching that the church labelled the "trinity" almost 1700 years ago is a very fine book by James R. White entitled _The Forgotten Trinity._ He is the president of Alpha and Omega Ministries, which you can access on the Web at (www.aomin.org).
To answer your question about "calling God God," most of the writers of the Old and New Testaments, unless there was some need to make a distinction between these three persons, usually used the term God to refer to God the Father. The fact that God is a being who has revealed himself to be one Being in three Persons is hard to comprehend, since we experience nothing in creation that bears resemblence to this unique quality of God. The important thing is not whether we can draw a picture of it or put the nature of God into some comfortable category for ourselves. What is important is that we take the time to understand what the Bible does say about God's nature and accept it.
I certainly hope this answer helps. It was quite a bit longer than you expected, I am sure; but it is important for all of us to know who God is and what he is like. Despite many corruptions of all sorts that we have seen in the church over the centuries, the church has at least held onto the truth of the Trinity throughout its history.
--Joe!
How can one be sure of his/her salvation John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."-------JVH, if that precious verse were all we had in all of Holy Writ to assure us ofof our salvation in the Lord Jesus, it would be enough. But God in His love and infinite wisdom has given us more, many more, assurances of our salvation through His Son. What's the Bible all about if it isn't what has been called "the scarlet thread of redemption?" From Alpha to Omega, from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible looks to the mighty redemptive atonement of Christ. To no other topic does it attach more importance; to no other topic does it speak more volubly......But I generalize and now should cite a few verses (from among a host) that speak directly to your question. (1) If we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. --1 John 1:7. (2) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may KNOW (emphasis mine) that you have eternal life. --1 John 5:13. (3) Whoever confeses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. --1 John 4:15. (4) For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able t separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. --Romans 8:38,39....... Remember the hymn that has the lines, "Sing them over again to me, wonderful words of life"? Aren't these verses wonderful words of life indeed? And there are many, many more in the Word that are just as wonderful. These just happen to be some of my favorites with which I am well acquainted..... A true believer in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord of his life can sing "Blessed Assurance, Jesus is Mine" with nothing but the fullest confidence in his salvation. --Hank
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